View Full Version : Does ANYONE support the proposed "stimulus" plan?
J.Q. Citizen
02-05-2009, 04:17 PM
Is there anyone on this website that supports the stimulus package as it currently stands?
I think I figured out how to submit a poll. I'm very curious as to the results. Feel free to comment but please do vote.
Shannon Benjamin
02-06-2009, 01:22 PM
I know it's unrealistic but I don't think one dime should be spent on any type of earmark. Obama talks about trimming the fat but it doesn't seem to be happening.
J.Q. Citizen
02-06-2009, 10:45 PM
I know it's unrealistic but I don't think one dime should be spent on any type of earmark. Obama talks about trimming the fat but it doesn't seem to be happening.
Unfortunately, you're probably right about it being unrealistic. But we can hope :)
As I see it, there are two possibilities for what has just transpired.
1) Obama worked behind the scenes before his inauguration and directed the Democratic members of Congress as to what he wanted to see in the stimulus package. And what he wanted was huge paybacks for his supporters and special interest groups as well as a conglomerate of social engineering spending that essentially amounted to 40+ years worth of liberal wet dreams. His thinking in this instance would be that he could take advantage of the economic crisis to either slide by or make palatable a huge expansion in the role of government that a frightened, anxious and nervous American public would gobble up in the guise of an "economic recovery plan". His mistake was twofold in that he didn't expect the Congressional Republicans to actually grow a pair of...to grow a spine, nor did he expect the American people to actually pay attention and care about the actual contents.
OR
2)He passed the responsibility of drafting the plan to Pelosi and Reid and company and it is they who have attempted to take advantage of the moment to further their leftist agenda while essentially ignoring the actual needs of the country. His mistake there is that after they did that, rather than fighting them, he signed on with them and has made it his own.
Now, here's what I see as the critical problem with each of those options. If it is the first, then he has his own "master plan" and he truly is the radical liberal that many people predicted and feared that he would be. If it is the second, then he has absolutely failed in his role as a leader and shown true incompetence to lead our nation out of its predicament despite his campaign claims that he was uniquely positioned and qualified to do just that. In fact, he made those claims, which indicated that he knew full well the extent of the problems, yet now he has been whining about how he inherited all of this from Bush. Maybe so, but the fact is, he knew it and campaigned on his ability to face those issues...all while promising to bring a whole new integrity to the Whitehouse. What are we up to on nominees that have had fairly serious ethical issues....4, 5, 6?
I am not yet sure which of these options I believe to be the case but neither one makes me feel very reassured or comfortable.
Bobette
02-07-2009, 01:08 PM
I think it's a wish list that's spiraling out of control. Voters were complaining about the government not taking an interest in the people of need, the huge deficit, government programs. These same folks do realize we're ALL going to be paying for this, right? I think the government is trying too hard to protect us from ourselves. When they start stepping in to protect us (with our own money) we lose the ability to think for ourselves and pull up our own boot straps. (If this doesn't make sense - sorry. I think I know what I mean! Medicated today, **** flu)
J.Q. Citizen
02-07-2009, 02:08 PM
I think it's a wish list that's spiraling out of control. Voters were complaining about the government not taking an interest in the people of need, the huge deficit, government programs. These same folks do realize we're ALL going to be paying for this, right? I think the government is trying too hard to protect us from ourselves. When they start stepping in to protect us (with our own money) we lose the ability to think for ourselves and pull up our own boot straps. (If this doesn't make sense - sorry. I think I know what I mean! Medicated today, **** flu)
You did fine Bobette, I understood perfectly. But, maybe I can help out a bit by summarizing what you just said....Hey people, how about we depend a little bit more on personal responsibility and self determination rather than looking for the government to fix everything. Something like that? :)
Bobette
02-07-2009, 04:27 PM
Yep, that works for me.
McKinneyRes
02-08-2009, 03:39 PM
I am actually glad, that some of the fat was trimmed from this. I think some of the fat still could be trimmed more!
J.Q. Citizen
02-08-2009, 04:12 PM
I am actually glad, that some of the fat was trimmed from this. I think some of the fat still could be trimmed more!
I agree. If they can just trim off that remaining fat...about $850 billion worth, I could get behind this plan.
J.Q. Citizen
02-09-2009, 11:56 AM
Oh look, apparently, $4.1 BILLION is going to be left in the plan that will go to ACORN. Yeah, that should create a ton of jobs. Fact is, I'm actually looking for a job now so if anyone can help me get hooked up with the soon to be flush and, apparently, soon to be hiring ACORN...I'd appreciate it. Anyone know what to put on your resume that will make it clear that you're willing to engage in voter fraud? "Willing to relocate frequently"?????
Xp007
02-15-2009, 03:52 AM
Hey , I wanna work for ACORN too! ****, that would really stimulate my pocket. Wonder if we get paycheck plus bonus, per voter? Or does the moneys double as we double voters? Over and over?:D
JaneBlow
02-16-2009, 12:54 AM
I support it along with 52% of America.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114184/Public-Support-Stimulus-Package-Unchanged.aspx
J.Q. Citizen
02-16-2009, 09:27 AM
I support it along with 52% of America.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114184/Public-Support-Stimulus-Package-Unchanged.aspx
Hmmmm, Rasmussen vs Gallup? Maybe Rasmussen qualified their respondents first and asked them if they even had a clue about what was proposed in the package? Just a thought. Anyway, this poll says that the support has dropped to 37%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37
JaneBlow
02-16-2009, 11:42 AM
Hmmmm, Rasmussen vs Gallup? Maybe Rasmussen qualified their respondents first and asked them if they even had a clue about what was proposed in the package? Just a thought. Anyway, this poll says that the support has dropped to 37%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37
I expected you to question the validity of a poll that disagrees with you.
One difference I heard discussed during the election was that Rasmussen didn't call cell phones -- only land lines -- and, therefore, may be getting a different demographic.
J.Q. Citizen
02-16-2009, 12:17 PM
I expected you to question the validity of a poll that disagrees with you.
One difference I heard discussed during the election was that Rasmussen didn't call cell phones -- only land lines -- and, therefore, may be getting a different demographic.
Just a slight qualification...I'm not questioning the validity, only the accuracy. From many reports I've heard, the more that people learn what is actually in the plan, the less they support it.
J.Q. Citizen
02-22-2009, 02:56 PM
Mike Huckabee had some interesting thoughts on this plan. Some of you will find this amusing.
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This week, Congress ignored all those promises for bipartisanship and transparency by locking the Republicans out of the room, holing up in secret middle of the night meetings, and then hurriedly voting on an 1,100 page bill that not one of the Senate or House members had the time to even read, much less understand.
They were in such a hurry to get this passed, that they didn't have a name for it, so in the interest of public service, I'd like to offer a title for this massive spending bill: The
Congressional
Relief
Action
Program.
What could be more appropriate than calling it what it is and what it's likely to be in really helping bring jobs other than the guaranteed employment for the 35,000 lobbyists in Washington who will now be going crazy trying to find ways to get a chunk of the Congressional Relief Action Program money for their clients.
And they will surely find a way — they always do.
But you can rest assured that Congress had you in mind when they passed this Congressional Relief Action Program. They knew that you if you knew what this Congressional Relief Action Program had in it, you'd be ready to kick the Congressional Relief Action Program out of them so they passed it before you or they could read it.
Of course, when the people of this nation get tired of this Congressional Relief Action Program, they can do something about it.
You can vote these guys out of office and tell them that you aren't going to take their Congressional Relief Action Program anymore.
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